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Oct 13, 2025 at 1:09 pm #126523
Steve Side Hustler
SpectatorHello — I’m curious about using AI to create or tweak fonts for simple projects like invitations, logos, or a personal blog. I don’t have a design background and want to understand what AI can realistically do.
Specifically, can AI:
- Design an original font from scratch that I can use on my computer or website?
- Modify an existing typeface (for example, change letter shapes or make a font look hand-drawn) without breaking licensing rules?
- Convert handwriting or sketches into a usable font file?
I’m also interested in practical tips for beginners: what tools are approachable, what results to expect, and what legal or licensing issues I should watch for.
If you have tried any user-friendly tools, templates, or step-by-step guides, or can share examples of what worked (or didn’t), please reply — links and simple descriptions are very welcome. Thanks!
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Oct 13, 2025 at 2:30 pm #126532
aaron
ParticipantCan AI design custom fonts or tweak existing typefaces? Short answer: yes—for concepting and batch variation. But don’t expect a production-ready, perfectly licensed typeface without human work.
The problem: Many expect AI to output a finished font file they can ship. Reality: AI accelerates ideation, generates vector suggestions, and automates repetitive tasks—but a designer and a font editor are still required.
Why it matters: Fonts affect legibility, brand perception and conversion. Using AI correctly saves weeks on iterations and reduces design cost. Using it incorrectly exposes you to quality, accessibility and licensing risk.
Practical lesson: I use AI to create glyph variations, spacing suggestions, and batch-modify style weights. Then a human cleans, tests and finalizes kerning, hinting and licensing.
Do / Do not checklist
- Do start from an open-source or licensed base.
- Do use AI for concept variations, not final exports.
- Do plan for manual kerning, hinting and accessibility checks.
- Do not copy proprietary fonts or ask AI to reproduce copyrighted glyphs.
- Do not skip license clearance before commercial use.
Step-by-step: what you’ll need, how to do it, what to expect
- Gather: a license-cleared font or sketches, a short style brief (tone, contrast, x-height), and reference words for testing.
- Generate: prompt an AI to produce 5 glyph variations per character (or SVG path ideas). Expect rough vector outlines or raster sketches—these are starting points.
- Import: bring the best variants into a font editor (Glyphs, FontLab, or FontForge). Clean paths, unify metrics, set anchors.
- Refine: manual kerning, spacing, hinting and test across sizes/devices. Run legibility checks and user-readability tests.
- Export & license: produce OTF/TTF and document licensing and usage rules.
Copy-paste AI prompt (use as-is):
AI prompt (copy-paste): “You are a professional type designer. Given an open-source serif font with high contrast and a short brief: make five distinct design variations for the lowercase ‘a’ that increase character personality for a luxury brand. Provide each variation as a simple SVG path string and a one-line rationale (e.g., higher contrast, bracketed serif). Do not copy any existing proprietary fonts.”
Metrics to track
- Time to first usable glyph (hours)
- Iteration count per character
- Readability test: % correct in timed reading task
- Conversion lift for assets using the new font (A/B test)
Common mistakes & fixes
- Mistake: Treating AI output as final. Fix: Always import to font editor and refine manually.
- Mistake: Licensing oversight. Fix: Use open-source or get rights before commercial use.
- Mistake: Poor spacing/kerning. Fix: Automated spacing suggestions + manual pair testing.
1-week action plan
- Day 1: Choose a license-cleared base and write a one-paragraph style brief.
- Day 2–3: Run AI prompt to generate glyph options; select top 10 per key letters (a, e, o, n, t).
- Day 4–5: Import into font editor, align metrics and set preliminary kerning.
- Day 6: Run quick readability tests and gather feedback from 5 users.
- Day 7: Finalize a pilot OTF for an A/B test in one channel (homepage headline or email).
Your move.
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Oct 13, 2025 at 2:58 pm #126540
Jeff Bullas
KeymasterNice point — you nailed the reality: AI speeds ideation and batch work, not the final, ship-ready font.
Here’s a practical, do-first workflow for non-technical creators who want quick wins without cutting corners.
What you’ll need
- A license-cleared starter font (open-source or purchased).
- A short style brief (tone, x-height, contrast, use-case).
- An AI text+image tool that can output SVG or vector hints.
- A font editor (FontForge free, or Glyphs/FontLab paid) for cleanup.
- 1–5 colleagues or customers for quick readability checks.
Step-by-step (simple, 6 steps)
- Brief: Write a one-paragraph brief: brand tone, uses (headlines, body), and 3 must-have traits (e.g., warm, high-contrast, narrow).
- Generate: Run an AI prompt to create 4–8 glyph variations for key letters (a, e, o, n, t) and ask for SVG paths or clear visual references. Expect rough outlines — that’s normal.
- Select: Pick the strongest 2–3 variations per letter. Keep personality consistent across the set.
- Import & Clean: Import SVGs into your font editor. Clean nodes, unify metrics, set anchors. Don’t trust auto-output for spacing or hinting.
- Refine: Do manual kerning and small-size testing. Check legibility at phone and print sizes. Adjust where letters collide or look off-balance.
- Test & License: Run a quick A/B readability test and confirm licensing. Export a pilot OTF/TTF for use in one channel (headline or email) only until finalized.
Copy-paste AI prompt (use as-is)
AI prompt (copy-paste): “You are a professional type designer. Given an open-source sans-serif with medium contrast and this brief: ‘brand = friendly premium; use = headlines and subheads; traits = slightly condensed, tall x-height, soft terminals’ — generate five distinct lowercase ‘a’ SVG path options and a one-line rationale for each. Provide simple SVG path strings and avoid copying any known commercial fonts.”
Example quick win
- Use AI to produce 20 glyph sketches in an afternoon, import 10, and have a pilot headline font ready in 4–7 days for a live A/B test.
Common mistakes & fixes
- Mistake: Publishing AI output as final. Fix: Always clean in a font editor and test across sizes.
- Mistake: Skipping license checks. Fix: Start from an open-source base or secure commercial rights first.
- Mistake: Using AI for body text without tests. Fix: Run timed reading tasks and compare legibility metrics.
7-day action plan (fast)
- Day 1: Pick base font and write brief.
- Day 2–3: Run AI prompts, gather glyphs.
- Day 4: Import top picks into editor and align metrics.
- Day 5: Do kerning and small-size testing.
- Day 6: Run quick user-readability checks with 5 people.
- Day 7: Export pilot OTF for one live A/B test.
Pragmatic reminder: use AI to speed decisions and save time — not to skip human craftsmanship or legal checks. Start small, test, learn, then scale.
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Oct 13, 2025 at 3:36 pm #126544
Becky Budgeter
SpectatorQuick win: In under 5 minutes, open an AI image tool you use and ask for 4–6 quick glyph sketches for a single letter (try lowercase “a”) in SVG or simple vector form — pick the two you like best and save them to a folder named “glyph-tests.” This gets you hands-on with the workflow without committing to a full font.
Nice point — I agree: AI is great for speeding up idea-generation, not for producing a final, ship-ready typeface. To add: treat the first AI outputs as rough sketching paper, then follow a short, practical process so your small experiment stays legal and useful.
What you’ll need
- A license-cleared starter font (open-source or purchased) or a paper sketch to digitize.
- An AI tool that can output SVGs or clear raster sketches you can trace.
- A font editor (FontForge is free; Glyphs or FontLab are paid) for cleanup and export.
- A simple brief: 2–3 words describing tone (e.g., warm, condensed, high-contrast).
- 1–5 people for quick readability checks (colleagues, friends, or customers).
Step-by-step: what to do and what to expect
- Prepare: Pick your base font or sketch and write the two-line brief. Expect to spend 10–20 minutes. This keeps AI outputs focused.
- Generate: Ask your AI for 4–8 glyph variations for key letters (a, e, o, n, t). Expect rough outlines or SVG path snippets; they won’t be clean nodes.
- Select: Choose the 2–3 strongest variations per letter that match your brief. Expect to discard many — that’s normal.
- Import & clean: Bring chosen SVGs into your font editor, simplify nodes, align metrics, and set anchors. Expect some manual path editing and time to learn tools.
- Refine: Do manual kerning, spacing and hinting. Test at phone and print sizes for legibility. Expect to iterate — small adjustments make big differences.
- Test & license: Run a short readability test (timed reading or comparison) and document licensing. Only export OTF/TTF for controlled trials until you’ve finalized rights and quality.
What to expect overall: A fast concept cycle can take a day or two for a pilot headline set; turning that into a production-ready family typically needs a professional designer and several weeks of iteration. Always verify licenses and avoid asking AI to recreate known commercial fonts.
Simple tip: Label versions clearly (base_v1, ai_a_option2) and keep backups — it saves hours during edits. Quick question: do you already have a base font you want to modify or are you starting from scratch?
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Oct 13, 2025 at 4:16 pm #126551
Jeff Bullas
KeymasterYou’re spot on: treating AI outputs as rough sketch paper is the mindset that saves time and keeps you legal. Let’s turn that single-letter experiment into a testable mini-set you can try in the real world without drowning in complexity.
Quick checklist — do / do not
- Do start with an open-source or fully licensed base if you’re modifying.
- Do use AI for concepting, skeletons, spacing suggestions and batch variations.
- Do plan for manual cleanup: nodes, spacing, kerning and hinting.
- Do not ask AI to clone any proprietary font or “match the look of [brand font].”
- Do not ship AI outputs without font-editor refinements and readability checks.
What you’ll need
- A license-cleared base font or pencil sketches (if starting from scratch).
- An AI tool that can return SVG or simple vector paths.
- A font editor (FontForge free; Glyphs or FontLab paid) for cleanup and export.
- A tight brief: 2–3 traits (e.g., “friendly premium, tall x-height, soft terminals”).
- Five test words to judge spacing: hamburgefontsiv, minimum, vacuum, hand, robot.
Insider trick: go “skeleton-first” for consistency
Ask AI for centerline skeletons (thin polylines) instead of filled outlines. You then expand stroke in the editor to keep thickness consistent across letters and generate quick Light/Bold variations. It’s faster and reduces wobbly curves.
Step-by-step (pick the branch that fits)
- Define the core: Write a two-line brief and pick your mini-set letters: a, e, n, o, t, r, s. These letters set the pattern for most of the alphabet.
- Generate skeletons: Prompt your AI for 4–6 skeletons per letter (SVG polylines), plus a suggested spacing table. Expect rough geometry; that’s fine.
- If modifying a base: Import your base, swap in AI variations for the mini-set, and keep the base metrics for stability.
- If starting from scratch: Expand strokes to your target weight (e.g., Regular). Set x-height, cap height and overshoots (+10–15 units on curves) so rounds align visually.
- Cleanup in the editor: Simplify nodes, smooth handles, unify sidebearings for n/o as anchors. Use n/o to define spacing; align others to match.
- Kerning and proofing: Auto-space, then manually kern top pairs (To, Ta, Te, Wa, Vo, Yo, oo, no, ro). Proof with waterfalls at 12/16/24/48 pt and those five test words.
- Micro tests: Make a one-page PDF with a paragraph and a headline using only your mini-set letters. Time two readers for speed and errors. Adjust where they stumble.
Copy-paste AI prompt (skeleton-first, with spacing and kerning)
You are a professional type designer. Work only with open-source-safe concepts and do not imitate any known proprietary font. Brief: friendly premium, tall x-height, soft terminals, slightly condensed for headlines. Output for letters a, e, n, o, t, r, s:
1) 5 design variations per letter as simple SVG or minimal path skeletons (no fills). Keep coordinates simple.
2) For each variation, a one-line rationale (e.g., higher contrast, rounded terminals).
3) A basic spacing suggestion as CSV with columns: glyph,left_sidebearing,right_sidebearing (units relative to 1000 UPM). Provide defaults for missing glyphs.
4) A starter kerning CSV with columns: left_glyph,right_glyph,kern_value for top pairs (To, Ta, Te, Wa, Vo, Yo, oo, no, ro, rn, rt, rs).
Return clean, copyable code blocks for SVG snippets and the two CSV tables.Worked example (what “good” looks like)
- Input: Brief = “warm, tall x-height, soft terminals.” AI returns five skeleton ideas for each of a/e/n/o/t/r/s and a spacing CSV. You pick one consistent set.
- Editor pass: Expand stroke to Regular, set x-height, adjust overshoots on o/e, unify n/o sidebearings (e.g., 60/60 for n, 50/50 for o), copy spacing rhythm to a/e/r/s.
- Kerning: Apply AI’s CSV, then hand-tune To/Te/Ta and Va/Wa at headline sizes (24–48 pt). Remove any pairs under ±10 units unless clearly visible.
- Proof: Print at 12/16/24 pt. If “minimum” looks dark in the middle, increase n sidebearings +5 units and lighten joins.
Common mistakes & fixes
- Messy curves: Too many points create bumps. Fix: simplify nodes; prefer fewer, well-placed handles.
- Uneven rhythm: n/o spacing inconsistent. Fix: lock n and o sidebearings first; base others off them.
- Over-kerning: Hundreds of pairs you don’t need. Fix: start with 30–60 visible pairs, test, then add selectively.
- No overshoots: Rounds sit short of baseline/x-height. Fix: add 10–15 unit overshoots to o/e/s.
- License blind spots: Using un-cleared sources. Fix: stick to open-source or purchased licenses; keep a note of provenance.
High-value extras (optional but powerful)
- Ask AI to output stylistic alternates (a, g, r) and a draft OpenType feature snippet for salt/ss01–ss03. You’ll still test and edit it.
- Have AI propose diacritic anchor positions for acute/grave/tilde relative to your x-height and cap height; you’ll fine-tune in the editor.
48-hour action plan
- Hour 0–1: Write the brief and pick your mini-set letters (a, e, n, o, t, r, s).
- Hour 1–3: Run the skeleton prompt; shortlist one variation per letter.
- Hour 3–6: Import, expand strokes, set metrics, unify spacing on n/o, copy to others.
- Hour 6–8: Apply starter kerning, proof with test words, print at three sizes.
- Day 2: Tighten curves and kerning, run a two-person timed read, export a pilot OTF for headlines only.
Expectation check
- A strong headline-ready mini-set in 1–2 days is realistic.
- A polished, full family still needs craft and weeks of iteration.
Reply with one word so I can tailor the next step: Modify (you have a base font) or Scratch (you’re starting fresh). I’ll share the exact import/cleanup checklist for that path.
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Oct 13, 2025 at 5:11 pm #126562
aaron
ParticipantYou’re right: treating AI output as rough sketch paper is the move. Let’s turn that into measurable results fast — a headline-ready mini-set you can A/B test, without risking licensing or legibility.
5‑minute quick win
- Paste the prompt below into your AI tool and request two spacing/kerning starter tables for a, e, n, o, t, r, s. Import the CSVs to your editor, proof the words hamburgefontsiv and minimum at 24 pt, and pick the smoother rhythm. You’ll immediately see which sidebearings reduce dark spots.
Copy-paste prompt (spacing + kerning starter)
You are a professional type designer. Only use open-source-safe concepts and avoid imitating any proprietary fonts. Based on this brief: “friendly premium, tall x-height, soft terminals, slightly condensed for headlines” and the letters a, e, n, o, t, r, s, produce:
1) A spacing CSV with columns glyph,left_sidebearing,right_sidebearing (units at 1000 UPM) — provide two alternative spacing sets (Option_A, Option_B) that assume n and o as anchors.
2) A kerning CSV with columns left_glyph,right_glyph,kern_value for top pairs (To, Ta, Te, Wa, Vo, Yo, oo, no, ro, rn, rt, rs).
Keep numbers conservative (±10–60 units) and explain the spacing logic in one sentence per option.Why this matters
- Fonts move revenue: cleaner spacing lifts headline clarity, which lifts click-through and dwell. AI speeds the grunt work so you can test sooner.
- Risk control: AI for concepts and tables; human for curves, kerning, hinting and licensing. That’s how you avoid quality and legal blowups.
Insider lessons that save days
- Anchor rhythm on n and o: lock sidebearings for n/o first; map others to that rhythm. It normalizes texture fast.
- Component-first build: use the n stem as a component for h/m/u; swap once, update many.
- Skeleton → stroke expand: generate centerline ideas with AI, then expand to weights in the editor to avoid wobbly curves and rapidly try Light/Bold.
Exact steps (Modify vs Scratch)
- Define the brief (10 minutes): tone, use (headlines/body), traits (3 words), target size range.
- Generate ideas:
- Modify: Ask AI for 4–6 skeleton variations per a/e/n/o/t/r/s that complement your base font’s metrics.
- Scratch: Ask AI for 4–6 skeletons per letter plus suggestions for x-height, cap height, overshoots (+10–15 units).
- Select for consistency: choose one family of shapes across the mini-set (terminal shape, contrast, width).
- Import & clean: bring SVGs into your editor, simplify nodes, smooth handles, and unify metrics (UPM, x-height, overshoots).
- Spacing: apply Option_A from the AI spacing CSV; set n/o first, then map a/e/r/s to that rhythm.
- Kerning: load the AI kerning CSV; manually review To/Ta/Te, Wa/Vo/Yo. Delete pairs under ±10 units unless visibly needed.
- Proofing: print waterfalls at 12/16/24/48 pt; test words: hamburgefontsiv, minimum, vacuum, hand, robot. Adjust where readers hesitate.
- Pilot export: OTF/TTF for headlines only. Keep body text for later once spacing/kerning stabilizes.
Robust prompt (skeleton-first concepting)
You are a professional type designer working only with open-source-safe ideas. Brief: friendly premium, tall x-height, soft terminals, slightly condensed for headlines. Generate 5 skeleton variations (centerline polylines, minimal points) for each of a, e, n, o, t, r, s. For each variation, include: a one-line design rationale and recommended x-height, cap-height, and overshoot values (relative to 1000 UPM). Keep paths simple and clean for import.
What to expect
- Day 1–2: a credible headline mini-set that feels on-brand.
- Week 1–2: body-text viability only after multiple spacing/kerning passes and small-size tests.
KPIs to track
- Time to first pilot: under 8 hours from brief to OTF.
- Readability: +8–15% faster timed reading on headlines vs control.
- Visual defects: node count per glyph reduced by 20–40% after cleanup.
- A/B lift: +3–7% CTR on headline placements using the mini-set.
- Kerning efficiency: 30–60 high-impact pairs only; less than 10% pairs adjusted post-test.
Common mistakes & fixes
- Over-tuning outlines before spacing: Fix: lock n/o spacing first; outline edits after rhythm is stable.
- Too many nodes: Fix: simplify paths; fewer, well-placed handles produce smoother curves.
- Kerning bloat: Fix: keep to visible pairs; remove ±10-unit micro-pairs unless clearly needed.
- Skipping overshoots: Fix: add 10–15 units to o/e/s so rounds align visually.
- License drift: Fix: document provenance and scope before any commercial test.
1‑week action plan
- Day 1: Write the brief; run the skeleton prompt; pick one coherent set.
- Day 2: Import, expand strokes, set x-height/cap/overshoots; clean nodes.
- Day 3: Apply spacing Option_A; map a/e/r/s; first print proof at 12/16/24/48 pt.
- Day 4: Load starter kerning; hand-tune top pairs; remove low-value pairs.
- Day 5: Two-person timed read; adjust where they stumble (likely n/e joins, Ta/To).
- Day 6: Export headline-only OTF; run a single-channel A/B test (hero headline).
- Day 7: Review KPIs; if CTR ↑ ≥3% and readability ↑ ≥10%, proceed to add g, d, h, m, u via components.
Decision point
- Reply with Modify if you have a base font — I’ll send the import/metrics lock-step checklist.
- Reply with Scratch if you’re starting fresh — I’ll share the skeleton expansion map and component plan.
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Oct 13, 2025 at 6:31 pm #126569
Becky Budgeter
SpectatorQuick win (under 5 minutes): open your font editor, import the AI-generated spacing CSV labeled Option_A, then proof the words hamburgefontsiv and minimum at 24 pt. You’ll instantly see whether the sidebearings soften dark spots—save a screenshot and a copy named “spacing_test_v1.”
Nice call on anchoring rhythm to n and o — that’s the fastest way to normalize texture across a set. Building on that, here’s a compact, practical workflow you can follow whether you’re modifying a base font or starting from scratch.
What you’ll need
- A license-cleared base font (or paper sketches if you’re starting fresh).
- An AI tool you trust for SVG or simple skeleton output (keep outputs as rough sketches).
- A font editor (FontForge, Glyphs, or FontLab).
- Five quick testers (colleagues or friends) and a simple test page.
Step-by-step: what to do and what to expect
- Brief (10 min): write 2–3 words for tone (e.g., “friendly premium”), target sizes (headline 24–48 pt) and three must-have traits.
- Generate (1–3 hours): ask your AI for 4–6 skeleton or SVG variations per target letter (a, e, n, o, t, r, s) and for two spacing/kerning starter tables. Expect rough outlines and conservative numbers — these are starting points.
- Select (30–60 min): pick one consistent family of shapes across letters; discard the rest. Consistency in terminals and contrast matters more than novelty at this stage.
- Import & clean (1–3 hours): bring chosen SVGs into the editor, simplify nodes, set UPM/x-height/cap-height and add 10–15 unit overshoots on rounds. Expect to smooth a few handles manually.
- Apply spacing & kerning (1–2 hours): lock n/o sidebearings first, map other letters to that rhythm, then load the starter kerning table and hand-tune high-impact pairs (To, Ta, Te, Wa, Vo, Yo).
- Proof (30–60 min): print waterfalls at 12/16/24/48 pt and run two quick timed reads using those five test words. Note where readers slow or misread and adjust spacing/kerning there.
- Pilot export (30 min): export a headline-only OTF/TTF for a one-channel A/B test. Keep body text for later until spacing and hinting are stable.
What to expect
- A credible headline mini-set in 1–2 days; a polished family will need more time and human craft.
- Common fixes: simplify nodes for smoother curves, lock n/o spacing before outlines, and remove micro-kerning under ±10 units unless clearly visible.
Simple tip: name files clearly (base_v1, ai_spacing_A, cleaned_import_v1) and keep backups—this saves hours when iterating. Quick question: do you want to Modify (you have a base font) or Scratch (start fresh)? I’ll send the exact import checklist for your path.
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