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Mark Fox is a true Renaissance man, a versatile entrepreneur, scientist, and former Space Shuttle Chief Engineer. His diverse background includes experience as a hot air balloonist and airplane builder, showcasing his passion for innovation and pushing boundaries.
He is the creator of the VIBE, a revolutionary “Pocket” Pulsed Electromagnetic Field (PEMF) device, designed for effortless integration into daily life. Unlike conventional PEMF devices, VIBE is incredibly compact and user-friendly, allowing individuals to wear it on a lanyard or keep it in their pocket.
This portability makes it a convenient and discreet option for those seeking natural relief from a wide range of ailments.
VIBE emits extremely low, safe frequencies—100,000 times lower than those from a cell phone—making it a safe and gentle therapy option. The device harnesses the power of Resonance Frequency Therapy to address over 100 common ailments in both humans and pets. By offering a drug-free, home-based alternative,
VIBE empowers individuals to take control of their well-being and explore the potential of natural healing.
What you will learn
- How PEMF technology works to regenerate bone density, improve mental health, and alleviate chronic pain, backed by thousands of studies.
- Why the VIBE device’s simple design avoids Bluetooth and apps to ensure easy, user-friendly access to wellness.
- How a personal experience treating a pet’s arthritis led to a breakthrough in health technology.
- The future of therapy through everyday devices like lights and phones, making wellness accessible to everyone.
- The challenges of bringing disruptive health tech to market, including regulatory obstacles and resistance from pharmaceutical interests.
Transcript
Jeff Bullas
00:00:04 – 00:00:58
Hi everyone and welcome to the Jeff Bullas Show today I have with me, Mark Fox. Now, Mark Fox is a true Renaissance man, a versatile entrepreneur, scientist, and former Space Shuttle Chief Engineer. His diverse background includes experience as a hot air balloonist and airplane builder, showcasing his passion for innovation and pushing boundaries.
Jeff Bullas
00:00:59 – 00:01:46
He is the creator of the VIBE, a revolutionary “Pocket” Pulsed Electromagnetic Field (PEMF) device, designed for effortless integration into daily life. Unlike conventional PEMF devices, VIBE is incredibly compact and user-friendly, allowing individuals to wear it on a lanyard or
keep it in their pocket. This portability makes it a convenient and discreet option for those seeking natural relief from a wide range of ailments.
Jeff Bullas
00:01:47 – 00:02:11
VIBE emits extremely low, safe frequencies—100,000 times lower than those from a cell phone—making it a safe and gentle therapy option. The device harnesses the power of Resonance Frequency Therapy to address over 100 common ailments in both humans and pets. By offering a drug-free, home-based alternative,VIBE empowers individuals to take control of their well-being and explore the potential of natural healing.
So, welcome to the show, Mark. It’s an absolute pleasure to have you here.
Mark Fox
00:02:11 – 00:02:13
Thank you for having me. I look forward to it.
Jeff Bullas
00:02:15 – 00:02:30
So, Mark, uh, You did, you went and did your degree, uh, which is in basically Tennessee, was it, um, tech College, is that correct? Yeah,
Mark Fox
00:02:30 – 00:02:32
Tennessee Tech, that’s correct. OK.
Jeff Bullas
00:02:32 – 00:02:45
So what subject did you study there that took you on the path to becoming a Space shuttle chief engineer? What was, what motivated you to go and do that degree in Tennessee?
Mark Fox
00:02:46 – 00:03:15
Uh, nothing, nothing in college did. So I was, I was a chemical engineer as my undergraduate, my best friend was a nuclear physicist and nobody graduated just how old I am. I graduated in 1983 and nobody was hiring anybody in the United States. Nobody, right at that time. So we were hanging drywall, building condos and stuff for $3.50 an hour. And my dad was in rockets. I never want anything to do with rockets. I thought I’d work for DuPont or Dow Chemical or something like that. And
Mark Fox
00:03:16 – 00:03:37
Um, you know, you’re in the Florida sun and you’re hanging drywall and sweating and making 3, 350 an hour and somebody goes, hey, this, this company for the space shuttle processing contract. Did you put your resume in for that? I’m like, no. So I handed it to them. They called me and they went, came in for an interview, and then they hired me right away. So it’s like, ah, you know, I’ll do this for 6 months because of it.
Mark Fox
00:03:37 – 00:04:07
Instead of 3 hours and 50 cents an hour, it was $12.14 an hour. So it was rich. It’s almost $100 a day. I didn’t know what to do, right? So it’s like, OK, but that’s how I got into it and I, again, didn’t think I’d stay there long, but I was like 16 years or something on the space shuttle program. And then, uh, I left there and anyone’s old enough to know what a zip drive is. I worked for IMmega for years back when the internet was just starting like 1996, um, 197 and so I
Mark Fox
00:04:07 – 00:04:26
I launched the e-commerce and internet stuff in the company and then their call center I managed, and I didn’t know what a call center was when I started working there, but they were a company that was growing so fast they were trying to get some good management people in there to try and fix all the broken processes and systems.
Jeff Bullas
00:04:27 – 00:04:27
So.
Jeff Bullas
00:04:29 – 00:04:41
So, from there, um, so how long were you at, you know, basically. As a space shuttle chief engineer, and because he did uh he did propulsion rockets or something, is that correct?
Mark Fox
00:04:42 – 00:05:18
He did this, I was the chief engineer on the solid rocket boosters. So, um, the two big white things on the side. So I was there for, like I said, 1516 years. I went to IMmega after that with zip drives. I’ve actually owned. Part of a woman’s clothing company, which I think I still do. So it is just kind of blocking and tackling basic business stuff. It’s all the same. I got interested in this energy technology when my dog got sick. And a veterinarian friend of mine who was very forward thinking, he’s like, hey, there’s this magic machine, um, that can help with arthritis in her spine. I’m like, yeah, I don’t know if I believe in this stuff, I started looking into it.
Mark Fox
00:05:18 – 00:05:54
And you know, that’s 27 years ago. I’m still skeptical, but there’s too much data out there. There’s 35,000 published papers on it. Anyone go to PubMed or NIH and type in PMF. NASA has used it since the 70s on the space station, and you can’t get to Mars without it because of bone density loss. Wow, OK. So it increases bone density. So NASA’s been using it for 50 plus years. But the doctor told me last month, he is going. Mark PMF is not on trial here. If somebody says it is, they’re uneducated, uninformed, or they’re just being.
Mark Fox
00:05:54 – 00:06:12
Jerks, right? Because there’s so much data out there that shows, and there’s more every day, more and more published studies, the blind studies, all kinds of things. So it’s, um, and it’s nothing’s 100%, just like a drug isn’t, right? But it’s got a really ridiculous high success rate for most people.
Jeff Bullas
00:06:13 – 00:06:18
Mhm because everyone’s different, so sometimes they’ll work for some and others, but you’re saying it’s actually in the 90%.
Mark Fox
00:06:20 – 00:07:02
It’s it, so with PTSD that we have a 98% success rate, which I don’t even believe it, but the data is there and I’ve had third party doctors review it and it’s there. Unfortunately, the lowest I think we have is probably prostate, and that’s probably maybe 60% success, but that’s better than most drugs, um, because trust me, we got 75 year old cranky men that are pissed off when it doesn’t work. And they all have my cell phone. So it’s like, uh, told you it wasn’t 100%, we give you money back if it doesn’t work for you, send it back. I don’t want anyone to have it that didn’t work for them. But it’s really high success rate, 80, 90% or more for many different conditions.
Jeff Bullas
00:07:03 – 00:07:17
So it’s, the inspiration came from basically an internal problem you had with your dog getting sick and you, and, um, and then you just gently or just with gentle curiosity, just kept an eye on it and did some reading about it. Is that right? Yeah,
Mark Fox
00:07:18 – 00:07:55
like I said, I, what made me most angry was PTSD. I saw the success rate with it before I ever ran my own studies, but it was being held hostage in a clinical environment with expensive machines. And you know, in the United States we have 22 military veterans a day commit suicide. 15 medical responders, 5 medical workers, and 2 active duty. So it’s 44 people a day. That’s not count any civilians, you know, civilian women that have had bad boyfriends, husbands, miscarriages, trauma, all of that stuff. So. It made me mad. I said, there’s gotta be a way to design and build some.
Mark Fox
00:07:56 – 00:08:22
An affordable pocket sized device that can do this, even though I wasn’t an electrical engineer. Now, I’m granting myself an electrical engineering degree after this because I started out so naive. It’s like it’s just gonna be a coil, a little circuit board and a battery. Now there’s a pile of coils over here in the corner of the room that my wife made me throw away. Things are catching on fire, and wouldn’t work. It was a struggle to get it to, well, it’s a huge trade-off, right? Because you
Mark Fox
00:08:23 – 00:08:45
I want the battery to last pretty long. It’s got to put out enough energy. The more energy it puts out, the battery’s bigger. It’s got to be light enough to wear around your neck, put in your pocket. It only weighs 2.7 ounces. So I get yelled at all the time by customers. I want a 12-hour battery. Well, it’s gonna look like a football and it’s gonna weigh 3 pounds, so you can’t have one, right? But it’s like, um, so there’s all those trade-offs and stuff with it, but it’s
Mark Fox
00:08:46 – 00:09:22
It’s, um, PTSD was the biggest thing. Anxiety, if you don’t know, is the number one condition or ailment of all human beings in every culture and country. Um, and so there’s a huge success with that. We’re running clinical trials right now. I have enough anecdotal data to say it helps with blood sugar, but there’s so many Facebook haters and I get attacked by so many people. I’m not. Making that claim so I have the actual data and then other things, sleep, back pain, neck pain, Alzheimer’s, dementia, a lot of different things. There’s a lot of physical and mental things that can help with this.
Jeff Bullas
00:09:22 – 00:09:36
So, let’s go to the device. So how much does it cost for the device, and um, can you sell it around the world, or is it basically restricted because of government regulations and bureaucracy?
Mark Fox
00:09:37 – 00:10:13
Interesting you just said that. So retail is $399 US I discount it to listeners like a podcast you took $249 whatever that translates to Australian stuff now. Uh Our government, the FDA doesn’t want this technology to exist because if you don’t know that in the US 75% of the FDA’s budget is paid by the drug companies, the research budget. So it’s, I pro I’m gonna get in trouble talking to you probably because the FDA doesn’t want me to have this. They’ve been trying to shut me down for six months and I’m like.
Mark Fox
00:10:14 – 00:10:58
It’s why they keep changing the way they’re attacking me. Um, so I, I’ll go and do something and, well, there’s pros and cons to being the fastest PMF growing company in the world, which I think I am. Um, even a small startup is now on people’s radar screen. I spent a lot of money making noise, um, so. Don’t want to go too far out of that rabbit hole. I’m still here, but, so I got asked two years ago on a keynote presentation before I had the vibe. They go, how would you measure success though when Pfizer assassinates me and I’m kind of joking, kind of not joking, but, um, so there’s that as far as shipping it, yes, we ship it worldwide, um, for free. So we have free shipping worldwide. Get it to Australia, wherever it is.
Mark Fox
00:10:58 – 00:11:08
New Zealand, those areas are actually easier than Canada, which you think would be easy because it’s right here is not. Canada is like that, but we ship worldwide every day for free. Cool.
Jeff Bullas
00:11:10 – 00:11:13
So you don’t, how, how long since you launched about 6 months, was it?
Mark Fox
00:11:15 – 00:11:59
The no, the vibe device I launched about 2 years ago and I had a predecessor prior to that, which was a Bluetooth connected device. Um, people are too dumb to do Bluetooth. I had to give up because I was awful because of, you know, if the phone would ring or if they get an audible from their text, right? It’s gonna be just like if you’re listening to music on Bluetooth in your car and your phone rings, the music stops. It disconnects. So this would disconnect and that was awful and it didn’t have a screen to select stuff. Anyway, it was a great prototype to start with because it allowed me, it was actually a Bluetooth speaker that looked like a music cassette that was a promotional giveaway and I modified it, so I didn’t have to.
Mark Fox
00:12:00 – 00:12:36
I modified a Bluetooth speaker into this device, so I didn’t have to pay for all the mold tooling and everything before I could prove the concept worked. So we put thousands of those out there and measured the data and then we made this device, it’s much more user friendly. It’s a complete standalone device. Doesn’t connect to anything. There is no app to download. You can’t program it. No, you can’t upgrade it. No, you can’t change the battery. You can’t do anything. Because, you use it the way it is. You turn it on, literally, turn it on, you scroll to the one you want and you hit play. That’s it. And put it landing around your neck or put in your pocket or
Mark Fox
00:12:37 – 00:12:43
I’ve now given up telling women not to stick it in their bra anymore cause they all do. So I just gotta go ahead and put it in your bra, it’s fine.
Jeff Bullas
00:12:45 – 00:12:51
OK, so, uh, is the battery basically rechargeable through USB or something, or?
Mark Fox
00:12:51 – 00:13:00
Yeah, exactly. It’s a USB-C rechargeable. So, which you know, the whole standard is going to USB-C. So it’s, it’s a standard lithium battery that’s in there lasts about 5 hours.
Jeff Bullas
00:13:00 – 00:13:07
Yeah, yeah, so they’re just trying to stop Apple make money out of making every fucking connector different.
Mark Fox
00:13:07 – 00:13:30
Well, it’s outlawed in Europe, right? They’re moving towards everything’s got to be USBC, which is Apple’s going crazy about that because I want to sell 62,000 cables like you just said, right? And trying to get rid of garbage and trash. It makes, it’s funny you said that though, but I’ve had, if we want to go there, the amount of people who shove stuff in there that’s not a USB-C cable. I, I, you know what a RCA cable is old red, yellow, black on the
Jeff Bullas
00:13:30 – 00:13:30
back
Mark Fox
00:13:30 – 00:13:35
of your I’ve had people jam that in there. I’m like, no, I won’t charge it.
Jeff Bullas
00:13:35 – 00:13:38
So is that, is that the device you’re holding in your hand?
Mark Fox
00:13:39 – 00:14:24
Yes, this is it. So it looks like it’s about half the size of your original iPod phone, and I did that on purpose for familiarity. So you scroll the one you want and you hit play and the colors if you can see it. The colors of the bars that show the frequencies running. I made the colors the same as a Star Trek tricorder from the 60s and 70s, so anyone old enough would look at it and get some familiarity with bones going with a medical device. And then my wife, you’ll like this one. So she goes if your viewers can’t see this part they’re like. There’s an app on your phone that you can measure it and show that it’s working, right, but
Mark Fox
00:14:25 – 00:14:37
Just like Bluetooth, a lot of people struggle with apps. So I built my wife goes, this is the dumbest invention you have ever come up with in your life. It’s a tube with a magnet, OK? So magnetic field tester, you put it over the coils.
Jeff Bullas
00:14:39 – 00:14:41
And it’s working. OK.
Mark Fox
00:14:42 – 00:15:17
So you can see it’s, see and here it’s working and that’s actually saved me because People keep turning the power level down cause they won’t, nobody will watch the damn instructions, right? It’s 5 minutes of video instructions. They go like this, they start clicking, going crazy with it, and they turn the power level down and like every time they go, mine’s broken, I want a new one. I want a new one. I’m like, it ain’t broken. Mine’s broken. I will take your tester. Yeah, it didn’t move at all. I’m like, OK, your power level is not at 10. It is. No, it’s not. Send me a picture. It’s at 10. No, it’s not. Send me a picture. I’m not stupid. I know it’s at 10. Send me a picture. Never mind.
Mark Fox
00:15:18 – 00:15:47
Right, cause they finally go look at it and they get it turned down to zero. It’s like some of my team members, Gabby and them were like, just design it so it doesn’t even have a power level and like. The problem is that about 3 to 5% of the population can’t handle the energy. They’re energy sensitive, so it’s a little too high for them. So you gotta have, I don’t want to take that. Chunk out of the market for this product, so there’s still power on but most people run it at 10.
Jeff Bullas
00:15:47 – 00:15:51
OK. So on your website, is it vibe? What’s the vibe?
Mark Fox
00:15:52 – 00:16:20
No, it’s zona, R E S O N dot zona.com. And what we’ll do, Jeff, we’ll make a landing page. You want to go learn more about it or we’ll make rizonahealth slash whatever you want to call it, name of your podcast or Jeff or whatever and then at the end, we’ll figure out exactly which one we want to call, but Arizona hell whatever we come up with. All right, cool.
Jeff Bullas
00:16:20 – 00:16:38
So let’s go to um one thing I’m curious about is, OK, so you tested it, you’ve gone through many coils, you, you, you had explosions years ago because it caught fire, um, but now it’s safe and it’s good because you tested it and you’ve put in the market. Um, how’d you go getting it produced? Was that a challenge?
Jeff Bullas
00:16:40 – 00:16:42
Mass produced, as in, yeah.
Mark Fox
00:16:43 – 00:17:15
No, I mean, and then people, you know, every time I get that email that says, where’s this made? And I know what the argument’s going to be made in America. Well, unfortunately it costs 100 times more to make it in America than it does in China. So my answer is Every elect it’s made in the same place that every electronic you have in your home is made. Your TV, your phone, your toaster, it’s made in China now. The guys I work with have done millions of dollars of development for almost nothing, because they were blue.
Mark Fox
00:17:16 – 00:18:01
Bluetooth speaker manufacturers and they saw a way to get into the medical world because they don’t have anything like this. So I talked, I talked to the engineer, uh, 5 times a day, every day, right, going back and forth. So these guys, you know, like I’ll have an investor talk like, OK, you make it cheap. I go, I don’t want to go anywhere else because there’s nuances to being to where we are today, right? Change, do this, tweak this and um we’ve got. All the, not all the bugs cause you’re gonna run to something once in a while, right? But there’s We, we have like, I just did the math last night. We have like 0.1% failure rate, and that’s when people beat the crap out of it or sweating all over it. So you’ll like this. We now have
Mark Fox
00:18:01 – 00:18:23
These vent holes are to get, let it cool a little bit cause it can get to like 105 °F. It’s a little warm, it’s putting out a lot of energy. So there’s a barrier on the inside here where air can go through but water cannot. That’s the latest version to quit sweating on it or dropping it in toilets, right? They’re gonna keep dropping in the toilet, but now it won’t break. That’s a fair way to say it.
Jeff Bullas
00:18:24 – 00:18:34
So on your website, do you have uh reviews from people who have been using it and how long it depends on the condition where they actually notice a change or a difference and improvement.
Mark Fox
00:18:35 – 00:19:08
Yeah, what, and what I decided to do a while ago was I don’t even want a written testimonial anymore cause everyone thinks I wrote it and I’m lying, right? So I only want video testimonials. I have about 80 of them now and they’re not easy to get because uh every, every testimonial I have I have 50 people to help, but nobody wants to be on camera and they’re freaked out, right? So. But so yeah, we have lots 80 testimonials or so online of people using it and what it’s done for them. I’m sorry, what was the second part of the question? I forgot. Or is that it?
Jeff Bullas
00:19:08 – 00:19:29
Uh, yeah, just more tests yeah just testimonials, you, you, how, the other question was actually, um, it depends, I’m sure it depends on the condition, whether it’s PTSD which has got 98% according to your data and research. On the other hand, um, What sort of time frame will people notice a difference, you know, and there’s gonna be a range, so.
Mark Fox
00:19:30 – 00:20:13
It depends on the person. It depends on the condition, but the guidelines are to use it 3 to 4 times a week minimum 30 days. If you don’t see something after that, you’re running the wrong protocol. You misdiagnosed yourself or it’s just not gonna work for you for whatever reason. Now, having said that, that comes from my guidance from the clinical environment because that’s what the doctors are doing. You’re gonna come for 12 to 16 visits if we can’t help you by then, we got to do something else. Now, the problem is because most people that will come to this find this technology to have long term chronic physical pain, mental pain, or both.
Mark Fox
00:20:13 – 00:20:48
Once they find relief, Jeff, they don’t listen to me. They run it 8 times a day, and they don’t want to do an experiment on themselves and go, hey, if I cut back to 3 times a week, is it still gonna hurt? They just say, screw it, and they run. 8 times a day, and it’s like. You don’t need to do it that much, but people don’t listen to me. They can’t hurt themselves. The only thing that can happen is if you use it too much, a small amount of people will feel tired because my theory is your body’s got to use the energy to repair itself. So it’s like, When somebody says I’m feeling tired blah blah blah blah and I’m like, what are you running? They give me a list of 27 things in my time out.
Mark Fox
00:20:48 – 00:21:13
Pick the top 1 or 2, and just run that 3 to 4 times a week. Keep a log if you got biomarkers, depending which the ailment condition is. Measure yourself, see if you’re getting better. There’s a really weird phenomenon with this. And it’s with any drug or medication or treatment that people forget how bad they felt a month ago.
Mark Fox
00:21:13 – 00:21:39
Yes. And so I talked to psychiatrists and doctors and, you know, I have a friend since kindergarten who’s a chiropractor here in town. He’s like, Mark, every new patient, I videotape them because they come in on a walker. The next time they came in with a cane, the 3rd time they had a laptop. And they’ll go, I can always do this with my arm. They’re like, you couldn’t even move your arm for a month. So, that happens and everyone says, yeah, it happens with any intervention. So, I’ve had a few customers go.
Mark Fox
00:21:40 – 00:22:02
Yeah, I don’t think it helped me and they send it in and then a month later they go, can I buy it again? Because it was helping me and I forgot. So here’s what I tell people on that, get a biomarker. So like a Fitbit, this is what I recommend because it’s $79. Fitbit 3, inspire, measure your heart rate variability, measure the amount of sleep you’re getting. Here’s the best litmus test, whether it’s helping you.
Mark Fox
00:22:03 – 00:22:36
Ask your family and friends. Are you being less of an asshole? You’ve never gone to this place. Seriously. Do your kids want to hang out with you now? Um, you haven’t gone to John’s house for a picnic in 3 years and now you’ve been twice in 6 months. So people see that change with ADHD, for example, in school with kids. The teacher will call the parents and go, you changed Johnny’s drugs, didn’t you? What’s he on now because it’s helping. Right, we change. So there’s all that that the litmus tests have asked the people around you if
Mark Fox
00:22:36 – 00:22:55
You’re more outgoing, feeling better and you’re not whining as much. You’re not complaining as much. Like, but you know, my back’s killing me, not as much anymore, right? So that’s, that’s where I kind of lean towards is actually biomarkers, like FitBit and stuff. And there’s a lot of other stuff you can measure to prove it to yourself, but they’re more invasive, right? I mean.
Jeff Bullas
00:22:56 – 00:23:04
So are husbands buying it for their wives to stop them whining? I’m, I’m, I know,
Mark Fox
00:23:04 – 00:23:36
but it’s a weird thing there because it’s the wives buying it for the husbands and husbands are too damn stoned to use it. So it’s like that’s what happens all the time. I get, you know, some, not all the time, get returns like my husband won’t even take it out of the package, right? It’s like, OK, so number one reason it won’t work is you don’t use it. Yeah, right. This is my favorite one, so. This Facebook hater on, uh, you know, Facebook obviously is like, this device sucks. I’m gonna send it back. It’s doing nothing for my prostate, blah bla I’m like, Tom.
Mark Fox
00:23:37 – 00:23:55
I don’t know why you posted that because it’s unfair. You bought it yesterday and it’s not even delivered. It hadn’t even been delivered to his house yet. He’s just on their bitch. So I don’t know if that was a competitor or complaint or what, but it’s like, calm down a little bit and then Yeah, it’s a Yeah.
Jeff Bullas
00:23:56 – 00:24:32
So, um. I have a Garmin watch. Which measures HIV, heartbeat, stress levels. I also have an aura ring, so I’ve got two marker devices actually. And, um, and as they say with these sorts of devices, if you don’t measure it, it, it, it didn’t happen. In other words, you go for a bike ride, you go for a walk. Um, I, one of the first things I check in the morning is I don’t scroll social media, but I do go and check my sleep for the night. And as I’ve got older, my sleep is struggling. So I’m using
Jeff Bullas
00:24:33 – 00:24:51
Uh, essentially like taking some magnesium, which supposedly helps with sleep. I take melatonin occasionally. Um, so, obviously, it’s not so much chronic issues, it’s sort of like fine tuning you. So actually, its general wellbeing becomes greater. Is that correct as well?
Mark Fox
00:24:51 – 00:25:18
Yes, and The study we did on PTSD is since the FDA doesn’t want me saying PTSD anymore, is a third party people that looked at all the data. We’re now just calling it that. So the results are general wellness based on the questions that were answered. Are you getting better sleep? Are you less irritable, lah blah blah. So it’s going through those things which I’m allowed to say. So I have a study online that they can go look at all that, but it helps with all those things.
Mark Fox
00:25:19 – 00:25:46
The oral ring guys are gonna hate me, but I’m gonna say it anyway. The reason I don’t recommend a ring is because I worked with them for months to do a study, and then they told me if I bought 1000 of them, they would give me a nickel and a pat on the back or something. I like it. Now, they’re like $500 so that’s why I went to the Inspire 3 because it’s $80 and people can afford it, and I couldn’t afford to use the ordering on the studies. Right, yeah, cause the investors, my investors are those fish behind you, OK, it’s me.
Mark Fox
00:25:48 – 00:26:17
I have a bunch of money. I do tons and tons of studies and stuff because it’s all coming out of my, my wife’s and I’s retirement, you know, how many investors in the stuff. So I’m spending a lot more on making, but it’s the most satisfying job I’ve actually ever had. You got it, I, I told, I have two ladies, one’s doing shipping and email, others answering phones. I’ve warned them. This is You better be prepared for the emotional part of this cause there’s
Mark Fox
00:26:18 – 00:26:55
You have people call you and complain about being kidnapped. The boyfriend had him on heroin. True stories, broken ribs, people abused. Um, you can imagine the PTSD and trauma, the amount of stuff people have been through. Um, I was just talking to somebody the other day. I didn’t even know anything about Lyme disease and won’t go too deep on what we’re doing with it, but that is the most awful thing I’ve ever heard of a human being. I’m not sure if I have cancer or anything else and just die. These people are suffering so badly and they don’t have a solution for it. Um, we think we have part of the solution. We know, we think we
Mark Fox
00:26:55 – 00:27:32
We got data that shows we can kill the lying bacteria, but that little bastard spits poison when you kill him. So it makes people think that’s his defense mechanism. There’s a medical word for it that I’ll pronounce wrong, so I’m not gonna try and say it. But it spits poison out so then it makes people sick. So we’re trying to alternate between runs that then run toxicity to get the poison out of your system. But no, you, if you sat on some of these Zoom calls with Facebook groups on Lyme disease, you’ll cry. It’s awful listening to these people. So anyway, you got to prepare some of your people that you’re gonna get in the spaces, you’re gonna help a bunch of people, but you’re gonna listen to. And then the other thing,
Mark Fox
00:27:33 – 00:27:55
We have one for ED. I wish 500 people didn’t have my cell phone cause I get calls all the time from 75 year old guys that want to tell me about their sex life and how it’s greater now and all this like, thanks for the testimonial, but you’re blowing up my phone. No, it’s, it’s bad.
Jeff Bullas
00:27:56 – 00:28:00
So, OK, so it helps with older men and testosterone, is that what you’re saying as well?
Mark Fox
00:28:00 – 00:28:25
It helps, helps with erectile dysfunction. Yes, it’s one of the 100 plus things you mentioned before that’s on there. I work for everybody, but, and I’m afraid to even say this because it may come out racist. Black men in their 75s, it’s doing miracles because that’s the most, or I get most phone calls from them. Maybe they’re bolder than the white guys to call up and tell me about it. That’s like I don’t wanna, I gotta sleep tonight. I don’t want to hear any more of this.
Jeff Bullas
00:28:26 – 00:28:40
Too much information, um. OK, so, um, one thing I’m curious about, you mentioned at the beginning that the FDA is funded 2/3 of the funding is provided by pharmaceutical companies. Is that correct?
Mark Fox
00:28:41 – 00:28:52
70% of their research funding is funded by the medical company. So when you go, how is that possible, that seems. Impossible and unethical and illegal.
Jeff Bullas
00:28:54 – 00:28:55
It’s a conflict of interest, end of story.
Mark Fox
00:28:55 – 00:29:16
It’s a huge conflict of interest. So how did it happen? Here’s how it happened. The medic, the drug companies are bitching at the FDA that it took way too long to get a new drug approved. So they’re yelling out yelling and the FDA goes, we don’t have enough manpower. So they basically said, we’ll give you money to buy a man car. That’s how it happened.
Jeff Bullas
00:29:19 – 00:29:22
Yeah. Suddenly they’re suddenly on the hook, and it’s conflict of interest, end of story.
Mark Fox
00:29:23 – 00:29:30
You know, I, I don’t know if you’ve seen it, who knows what will happen in our country, you know, we’ve lost our minds in politics over here, but um,
Jeff Bullas
00:29:31 – 00:29:33
we watch the world with um.
Jeff Bullas
00:29:35 – 00:29:38
Anything from bemusement to dismay, let me put it that way.
Mark Fox
00:29:39 – 00:30:12
That’s, that’s, that’s putting it lightly how I have to watch it. Yeah. Robert Kennedy tweeted this two weeks ago, 10 days ago. FDA’s war on public health is about to end. This includes its aggressive suppression of psychedelics, peptides, stem cells, blah blah blah blah, a whole bunch of stuff and anything else that big farmers are trying to patent. If you work for the FDA and are part of this corrupt system, I have two messages for you. One, preserve your records.2, pack your bags. So I, who knows what’s gonna happen with that, but he’s like, I’m getting rid of it completely.
Mark Fox
00:30:12 – 00:30:41
Departments in the FDA. So it’s, it’s super frustrating because we help. I mean, I’m calling it a general wellness device. I’m using the guidelines. I’m doing everything legal and you’re allowed to say, I can’t say treat, diagnosis or anything, but I’m allowed as a general wellness device to say helps living well with that condition. So for example, type D diabetes can’t be treated, diagnosed, or cured, but if your blood sugar goes from 250 to 100 and you’re shooting 10 units of insulin a day instead of 80.
Mark Fox
00:30:42 – 00:31:22
You’re saving more money and not sticking yourself with a needle as much, so you’re living better. Same with sleep, same with back pain, same with anything else. But the FDA has now told me I’m not allowed to say that. They’re, they’re going to take me out, but I’m just gonna say it, yeah. This is how bad it’s gone. I’m not allowed to have a YouTube channel, LinkedIn, or Facebook. They don’t want any social presence at all. And I’m like, Mm, that’s First Amendment rights and then testimonials of people saying what their experiences are. And so that’s, I’m still, I’m in the last, I’m in round 12 of them because I know they’re gonna make me shut the thing down, probably, but we’ll see. Hopefully not, but it’s, yeah, super frustrating cause you help a ton of people and yeah.
Mark Fox
00:31:24 – 00:31:37
Yeah. Especially people with side effects of the drugs and stuff and can’t take what medications they need. Yeah. Yeah, I don’t know about you, but here 6 o’clock news here, every commercial is, hey, it helps with so and so and you’re gonna have anal bleeding,
Jeff Bullas
00:31:37 – 00:31:54
I cannot, I cannot watch American free to air TV. End of story. It’s like, is this, was this media company bought by a pharmaceutical company? It’s just insane. It’s obviously so much money.
Mark Fox
00:31:56 – 00:32:30
Yeah. The answer is yes, ABC, CBS, NBC, all the news networks here, there is not a single commercial that is not drug related at 6 o’clock news. 0 every night. Anyway, now I have some SUVs that just showed up at the front door, so let’s move on. I said, I don’t hear them knocking, yeah, but they’re on the way. I’ve had multiple guys tell me they’re listening to every phone call you make, every email they’re reading like Jesus. So there, there we have it, enough of slamming the FDA we’ll see what happens.
Jeff Bullas
00:32:32 – 00:32:43
Mark, it’s been absolutely fascinating, and I’m gonna ask you one question, um. What brings you the most joy and what would you do every day if you had all the money in the world?
Jeff Bullas
00:32:45 – 00:32:46
Oh.
Mark Fox
00:32:49 – 00:33:37
I don’t wanna do anything every day, so I don’t want to play golf every day. I don’t want to fly balloons and I like helping people, and if this ever makes any money, it’s not yet, I may never. If I quit spending money, we make a little money, I may never quit doing this because of the new technology. I said earlier, energy can be delivered with. Electrical current PMF, light, sound, vibration. I think I said that, um, yep. Here’s my dream. And I would have this already if somebody at Phillips, the light company, would call me. I want to be able to say, Alexa, run dementia in the living room, and you just simply run the protocol through the lights. Right, how powerful that would be, um.
Mark Fox
00:33:38 – 00:34:06
I already wrote an app, but I can’t get around that because when you turn on a light switch, the light bulb doesn’t come on. It does a slow ramp, so it doesn’t shock your eyes. Slow meaning a few 100 milliseconds, right? But that would be the coolest thing in the world is to give people therapy that they don’t even know they’re getting and just makes them feel better. Um, another one. Yeah, most phones have a cheat coil inside of it for charging. So you’re putting power in there to charge it.
Mark Fox
00:34:07 – 00:34:33
If somebody would help me, cell phone world, and I could modify the firmware or the software with an app, so I could run these frequencies out of that coil that already exists, you could turn every phone into a quote therapy device with a simple app. Those kinds of things, it’s an indirect way of answering questions. I’m thinking about that stuff all the time. What’s another way you can do it? I got chairs and mats and lights.
Mark Fox
00:34:33 – 00:35:10
MIT, don’t know everyone go Google this. They reversed Alzheimer’s and reduced plaque in the brain with 40 Hz flickering light, and they found it by accident with rats in a box, and I told them this has been around for 30 years, 40 hertz is a magic frequency, but here’s a whole lot of other ones. And so it’s interesting cause it’s the one time in my life I feel good about this. I went to school at MIT. The guy has two PhDs and he’s an MD. He’s like, He goes, what’s your frequency? He goes, 1 to 1000 hertz. He goes, that can’t work because you can’t see beyond 60 hertz. That’s true. But you didn’t tape the rat’s eyes open, so how the hell did they get energy inside their body? He goes,
Mark Fox
00:35:11 – 00:35:46
We’ve never figured that out. So I was telling a friend of mine who’s a top radiologist here, and she goes, Mark, in 2001, they discovered your skin has light receptors just like your eye. So I went back to this MIT guy. And he goes, that isn’t true. I went, I shoved all this stuff in his face. I go, read all this research, right? So this is fun. My friends go, man, you’re gonna live forever. And I go, I just want to see what happens next. So that’s a long answer to what gets me up in the morning stuff. I don’t want to play golf every day, I fly my balloon every day. I don’t want to work every day. I don’t, I want to mix things up and keep learning stuff and it’s fun.
Jeff Bullas
00:35:46 – 00:35:48
Keep it interesting and fun. Yeah,
Mark Fox
00:35:48 – 00:35:48
yeah.
Jeff Bullas
00:35:49 – 00:36:02
One last question, uh, you mentioned, uh, using the device 8 times a day. What do you mean by using is, uh, so you turn your phone, put it in your pocket for 10 minutes to 8 times a day or 6, whatever you want to do.
Mark Fox
00:36:02 – 00:36:44
Now, the protocols are all different in length. Um, the average is going to be about 40 minutes. The shortest is 30 minutes, the longest PTSD is 2.5 hours. So you just put it in your pocket and play it, and you have to go from beginning to end. Because it’s frequency pairs that are changing every 1 to 4 minutes. So if you think about the frequency A is where it is, B is, what’s wrong with it, sort of. And so it’s going, the frequency pairs are like a chord on a guitar, and the protocols are songs. So it’s got to go through its progression like PTSD is in every part of your body. This is freaky, Jeff. We can now measure PTSD in your cells. You can physically see it. So you can.
Mark Fox
00:36:44 – 00:36:55
I mean it’s very invasive to get in there to do that, but that is a new discovery. So you gotta do the whole thing. Stuff like asthma, we’ll see a lot of people. We’ll see a difference in 5 minutes.
Jeff Bullas
00:36:56 – 00:37:00
So do you need to do a different setting for each one of those conditions?
Mark Fox
00:37:01 – 00:37:02
It’s a different protocol for every condition.
Jeff Bullas
00:37:03 – 00:37:13
Yes. OK, right. All right. OK. So if I’ve got a general, you know, like I’m not sleeping very well, for example. Is that a condition?
Mark Fox
00:37:14 – 00:37:18
Well, I get asked all the time, which one do I run for sleep? I go, uh, sleep.
Jeff Bullas
00:37:18 – 00:37:19
Awesome.
Mark Fox
00:37:21 – 00:37:22
So sleep right there, you’re on that 10,
Jeff Bullas
00:37:22 – 00:37:25
so you’ve got a menu with each condition. Yeah.
Mark Fox
00:37:26 – 00:38:05
Its menu is alphabetical with each condition. There’s 59 on there. 5 of them are brainwave protocols which can be repurposed for 70 more things, which I don’t have time to talk about. But yeah, they’re alphabetical order, run to the one you want, hit play. Sleep is one I use a lot for me personally. I’ve, my whole life, people chasing me, killing me, trying to shoot me. When I sleep, I get Halle Berry. Just not getting attacked. I’ve told that story several times. It’s like it’s pleasant. I get more REM, um, I sleep longer and I’m more relaxed and stuff. So that’s one of my favorite ones for me personally.
Jeff Bullas
00:38:05 – 00:38:18
I think that sounds good, um. Mark, it’s been an absolute pleasure, um, and absolutely intriguing, and I think I’ll just have to, uh, test one, I think. So, um,
Mark Fox
00:38:19 – 00:38:23
Let’s give your listeners, what do you want to call rizona.health/ what? What do you want to call it? You just call
Jeff Bullas
00:38:23 – 00:38:25
it, uh, Jeff, I suppose.
Mark Fox
00:38:26 – 00:38:40
Jeff, we’ll do it. Friends of Jeff, we’ll just say call it Arizona. Health Jeff. Yep. And they give them a big discount and they go learn more. They can go down the rabbit hole as deep as they want, looking at thousands of studies and then all that data is there. So basically
Jeff Bullas
00:38:40 – 00:38:49
they don’t we, there’s nothing to lose, so, except maybe a few dollars, and if it doesn’t work, you sometimes help out. But anyway, um, it, I’m fascinated. I be
Mark Fox
00:38:49 – 00:38:59
clear on that. We ship worldwide for free and there’s a money back guarantee in 30 days after you get it, after you get to your customs. It doesn’t work for you, send it back. I don’t want anyone to ever have one if it didn’t help them.
Jeff Bullas
00:39:00 – 00:39:16
Exactly. Thank you, Mark. It’s been an insightful and uh fun conversation, and, um, great to see you, uh, putting your passion, expertise and energy into, literally energy into helping people. So thank you very much.
Mark Fox
00:39:17 – 00:39:18
Thank you for having me, Jeff, appreciate it.